Are Americans willfully ignorant or stupid?

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Are Americans willfully ignorant or stupid?

this is from here -> http://www.brainphreak.net/theblackpacket/main.html and fellow member of the Silicon Valley 9-11 truth group

also I think the spelling errors are intention but I'll ask him next time I see him

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Camdon's picture

Now that... made me kinda

Now that... made me kinda angry. There was very little supporting factual basis behind a commercial that called us ignorant for 5 minutes and then told us to vote for Ron Paul. They didn't cite a single "truth" that we're ignorant of, just that "the man is keeping us down".

Ravenn's picture

Good point

I will say that I didn't disagree with the first couple of minutes - how many Americans can actually tell you about the Bill of Rights vs. how many can tell you all about the latest celeb scandal... But right after that, it listed some... well... interesting claims, then some inspirational quotes, and then resorted to cheap political mud slinging. Kinda like the whole purpose of the film was to sway the ignorant ppl they are talking about to vote for that guy - not because of a single fact presented in the film, but because they were told to. Ironic, huh? Using teh ignorance they condemn to win votes that apparently count on ignorance?

I have to say I know nothing about this candidate, and I am not on overly political person. Therefore, as a complete stranger to the issue, I can honestly say there was very little if anything of factual value in that presentation. A couple of interesting observations were made early on, but the claims made were totally unjustified/unsupported in the film, which in my opinion, is on the same level of crap that so many politically based messages, commercials, and ads are. All in all, I'd like my 9 minutes back please.

Urkgarr's picture

I watched for 2 minutes,

I watched for 2 minutes, then skimmed it. What can be said about Americans can be said about others. Everyone is ignorant to a degree and ignorance should not be equated to stupid.

everising's picture

Food for thought

I admit I found many truths in what was stated.

Even though we live in the "information age", in my opinion we have lost more than we have gained in most cases. True if you want to know something you just type it in and have an endless list of resources.
However each of those resource came from someone else's opinions, experiences ect. So the information you get is still only secondhand, at best, to what someone else has learned and the way they experienced it, so your information is already bias.

Ok that being said, over 90% of the entire clip was someone else's words. Which I found entirely amusing, given the topic of the clip.
I do not know much about this candidate, other than I can tell each of his OWN words where choose quite deliberately.

Towards the end of the clip where he is doing his "political mud slinging" he says "They want the ocean without the roar of its many waters". I found this interesting because "many waters" made me think of the bible, being as that combination is in there over 26 times in popular scriptures.
Also since we are Americans, we are quite familiar with the quote "slick corporate oiled machines". Which makes me seriously doubt any mere coincidence of words.

So between the ploys to our intellect, beliefs and convictions, oh not to mention the indirect insults to other candidates and officials, I am still waiting to see the real differences between him and everyone else who kisses your butt and tells you what you want to hear just to get what they want.
Reminds me of those guys in high school, didn't work then either.

ozwyn's picture

Given the spelling errors

Given the spelling errors and hostility of the ad, i would judge it as unofficial.

I like Ron Paul, I like 98% of what he stands for. But I am not sure this ad does him a service. In the end it is propeganda in that it fails to use hard facts and falls backs on quotes and assumptions.

For example - Ron Paul wants to go back to the gold standard and a lot of people think that is crazy. Yet never in history has a system that did not have hard backing last for very long. Nor has the actual purchasing power improved over time. In fact it has been dramatically reduced. Since this also means the money we have today is more of letter of credit to creditors of other countries investing in our debt, the current system could undermine our soverignty. (which explains a lot of china's open access to missle/space systems during the clinton years, and our politely ignoring chinese weapons in the hands of bad guys in the middle east)

They could have mentioned the staggering hypocrisy of no-knock warrants, unlimited wiretapping and invading other countries in order to improve the security of the nation, all the while ignoring actual border security.

They could have even mentioned how Iraqi citizens have more rights for self-defense than US citizens do thanks to our government deciding everyone else -BUT- us citizens have the right to own brand new select fire weapons for free on the us tax dollars.

They could have even mentioned that the extended military stay in iraq is unconstitutional as it represents war powers without a formal declaration of war. The additional side effects of war without a formal declaration of such (and even the war on terror is not an official one) is it allows a lot of countries to call themselves our allies without having to pony up on the bills, and it also prevents patriotic citizens from buy war bonds. This means the manner in which this war is paid for in terms of lives and finances is DESIGNED TO FAIL, and incur maximum debt to foreign powers, instead of drawing from citizen contributions.

If you're going to make an argument, argue parity and economics. There's a damn fine case NOT being argued, and being instead replaced with the same simple sound bites and quotes which the author blames the media for using to "brainwash" the public.

there is an excellent message that is not being used due to sloppy production.

Nelz's picture

I'm sorry. But I have never

I'm sorry. But I have never wasted 9 minutes of my life on anything more stupid. Call me stupid and ignorant. Give me zero facts. Zero references. Then tell me to vote for a name I have never heard of.

Makes me laugh.

Ikky's picture

I just found it quite

I just found it quite amusing that an ad that goes on for that long railing on people for being stupid had so many typos in it. It's hard to take something serious when they spell percentage "per centage." It's like a 6'0" 350 pound guy calling a 6'0 250 pound guy fat.

Locnar's picture

I'm with Ozzie on this.

I'm with Ozzie on this. While I know and respect Ron Paul, if you read his issues he has written to wanting to address as well as his public voting record. He, in my book, has a very good case for presidency.

however this movie was 9 minutes of pure propeganda saying if you don't want to be stupid (Stupid is as stupid does) then vote for Ron Paul.

I believe this is a great dis-service to a good man who is trying to make America what it used to mean.

Not to pick on our Canadian friends, but our value of the dollar dropped below Canada's....this scares me. Not for the reason people might think, but because its becoming a trend for the dollar not to be worth the paper its printed on.......

Canada is doing things right. their economy is growing stronger. they still control their government in a much better fashion then the people here in this country.

And while my vote is still up in the air, its not because of the people running. I would vote for Ron if given the opportunity for it to matter.

But with the electorial college deciding who is president and not the people themselves, our government has been a farce for many many years, in my humble yet annoying opinion.

ozwyn's picture

what should have been posted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8

Brilliant video IMO.

I gave on November 5th.

Horamir's picture

Yeah, that is a very good

Yeah, that is a very good video, it lays out the facts that underly his appeal. He's not just a nut saying weird things to shake the tree--like many high level politicians, he knows how the world really works, but unlike 99.9%, he actually is willing to tell the American people how the world works and implement policies to benefit the country as a whole rather than Wall Street. As you can tell if you're paying attention to the media coverage of Paul, the powers that be understand what he is doing and they are doing their best to discredit him, like a sleazy lawyer that doesnt bother to deny his client raped a women if he can convince the jury that the rape victim is a "bad person."

If the American people paid as much attention to government and economics as they did to cultural detritus and inconsequential stuff, this guy would pwn the shit out of Hillary and Giuliani. He is so astonishingly right about inflation, getting rid of the IRS and the Fed, and the linkage between personal freedom and our conception of the role of government it just makes my brain hurt to see people saying he doesnt know what he's talking about. He's the only one whose policies would actually HELP the US instead of dragging it further into debt and inflation and weakening of the dollar.

When he points out that income taxes are just 1/3 of federal revenue and that we could scrap the IRS and completely eliminate personal income taxes and still have the amount of federal revenue to spend that we had in the year 2000, that is awesome, and true. When he said "Btw, when I say cut taxes, I dont mean fiddle with the code, I mean ABOLISH the IRS and the income tax and replace it with nothing" I just about needed a change of drawers.

ozwyn's picture

Yeah his "end of IRS"

Yeah his "end of IRS" argument is amazing. Not to mention that freeing up that much in taxes from private citizens would give the economy a HUGE boost and allow for more/better savings than social security/medicare and take a lot of the stress out of both systems.

I linked a few different videos to my sig file that I was able to find. Some of them are better than others but they show why this guy has a huge grass roots appeal.

Horamir's picture

Re: Yeah his "end of IRS"

Quote ozwyn:
freeing up that much in taxes from private citizens would give the economy a HUGE boost and allow for more/better savings than social security/medicare and take a lot of the stress out of both systems.

Absolutely!! The only way that wouldn't be desirable is if you think the gov't is wiser and more efficient at spending other people's money than the people spending their own money, and prefer the gov't to make your decisions for you, and think the government's proper role is to take care of you. I would like nothing better than to absolutely annihilate that conception of government, then continue stomping on it for several years even after its dead Twisted Evil The lefties rooting for Paul should remember that the 42 second mark in that video is one of his biggest goals...radical policy shift and cutting spending based on a view of personal freedom that rejects government nannyism Mr. Green